The Pope’s English Gambit

An apostate's view

The Fire Window, Manchester Cathedral

We've heard a number of religious views about the Pope's extraordinary offer to allow Church of England priests who can't stomach women bishops to convert to Rome - even though some of them are married, and even being allowed to keep to some of their Anglican traditions. Some feminists have criticised it as predatory; some have predictably welcomed it, and some bishops look like taking it up. This is everybody's business, though, not just believers' business - just as much as private clubs' membership rules are in my view everyone's business, say, or political parties' candidate selection, or indeed political defections. Anyway, I've never noticed any reluctance on the part of Popes or Bishops to opine on non-religious matters. Here, then, is the view of an excommunicated apostate. Believers are more than welcome to correct me if there's anything I misunderstand.

I agree that the Pope is being predatory here, not to say wholly cynical: you have to admire the old man's chutzpah in trying to annex part of the C of E in advance of his state visit next year. Perhaps he hopes to Newmanise the whole of England.

What is most baffling about this affair though is how any Anglo-Catholic can see the issue of women bishops (perhaps together with a perceived liberal drift on homosexuality - one imperceptible to outsiders) as a reason to turn to Rome. Can any of them really, in conscience, now say they suddenly accept Catholic dogmas, having lived contrary to them all their vocations long?

Let's take the issue of whether scripture contains all things necessary for salvation, as we're told Anglicans believe. That's not Rome's position - it sees tradition as just as important. Do these Anglo-Catholic defectors claim to have changed their mind on this - or did they never agree with what seems the official Anglican doctrine in the first place?

Getting a bit closer to the bone, if the question of whether bishops can be women is so crucial, why do they attach so much less importance to the question whether priests can be married? Some of the potential defectors are themselves married - conduct in their own personal lives that is directly contrary to Roman Catholic belief about the nature of priesthood. And have they been living in accordance with Humanae Vitae? Do they propose to from now on?

Even closer to the bone, for some, is the issue of homosexuality. George Pitcher certainly thinks quite a few potential defectors are themselves gay. It's okay to be a gay priest in the C of E, so long as you don't practice it: as I understand it (from Issues in Human Sexuality, para. 5.19) clergy who come out as "homophile in orientation" but who accept abstinence are to be welcomed and employed; and candidates for ordination will not be quizzed about their celibacy unless there are strong reasons for doing so. But in the Pope's church, men presenting "deep seated homosexual tendencies" cannot be ordained at all, whether or not they practice their sexuality; and it is even prepared to use psychological tests to root out these tendencies. Again, therefore, to be conscious of ones homosexuality seems to this outsider just as contrary to the Catholic idea of priesthood as to be married. On reflection, some of these priests may be forced to conclude they are excluded from Rome just as they would exclude others from their own church. Only unmarried straight or effectively asexual Anglo-Catholics can, it seems to me, unashamedly aspire to be Catholic priests.

Most critically, though, potential defectors have, until now, been happy to be part of a church that rejects papal authority. Indeed, opposition to his authority was the rock on which the Church of England was founded almost five hundred years ago. How can these people now say that just because of women bishops that's all forgiven and forgotten - a little mistake - and that they're now happy to do as the Pope tells them? They may have convinced themselves that he's merely some sort of primus inter pares; but he certainly doesn't see things that way. The defectors have been happy to serve in a church that's at least partially democratic and to argue their case against reform; if they turn to Rome, they'll find they have no say whatever, for instance on whether offers like this should be made, or when some future Pope unilaterally decides priests can be married, or women, after all (as I predict he will within fifty, then within a hundred, years). The Pope in Rome may only rarely be infallible, but he's always the one who decides.

The gulf between Canterbury and Rome seems to me as wide as the Channel and as high as the Alps, and any Anglo-Catholic who defects now must explain why the prospect of women bishops has made him change his mind on other, more fundamental doctrines; or else, if he claims always to have accepted those doctrines, why he hasn't been a Catholic and lived by them before now.

Many atheists will, I think, conclude that in reality this is nothing to do with the details of the dogma of either denomination, and that theological disputation about it is just a thick cloud of incense. Isn't this really about some extremely conservative-minded people's deep-rooted commitment against women's equality - a commitment that transcends and overwhelms all other doctrinal, spiritual and ecclesiastical considerations and loyalties?

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  1. Rachel Charman
    Sat Oct 31, 2009 at 07.37 pm

    A ‘HANGING ON BY THE FINGERTIPS’ VIEW

    Have you really been excommunicated?  How exciting!  Did a sinister priest turn up and personally serve you with a black-edged Notice?  I actually always thought you’d managed to chuck them first.  Or is it a deemed-excommunication-situation?

    Mind you, now you mention it, the sideburns are a bit satanic.

    You might well have guessed that I’d read this article!  And of course I agree with almost every word and have been making the same points recently to anyone I could get to listen.  Basically, I think that the reality is this.  People born into a strand of Christianity who retain any belief in any of it tend to stay in their own denomination - out of apathy / familiarity if nothing else.  If they’re honest, all would admit to a ‘cafeteria’ approach to supposedly crucial doctrinal issues.  Remember how at university you would point out that practising Catholics all used contraception?  In the same way someone like me hangs around in the Protestant wing of the C of E / Methodism - because of the passion and commitment to social justice and the example of Jesus - and screens out the bollocks.  And of course one person’s bollocks is another person’s crucial article of faith.

    BUT what I do find fascinating is people who make a significant denominational move - eg across the Alps / English Channel etc - in any different direction.  Because THEY are saying, publicly, ‘OK I have read and studied everything that this lot say I must believe and YES BY TOTAL COINCIDENCE I HAPPEN TO BELIEVE EXACTLY THE SAME STUFF AND NOTHING ELSE!!!!!!’.  How can that not be bollocks?!  Whatever they may say (and genuinely believe) NO ONE in ANY denomination believes the whole package - not even the Pope or raving loony telly-evangelists.  If they did, it would be a crazily impossible psychological coincidence.  One of the most depressing experiences I have ever had in a Christian setting was discussing some issue (can’t remember what) with a Christian friend.  After a good conversation, he wrecked it all by concluding with the words ‘Interesting.  Now I must ask our minister what we believe about that’.  AAAAAARGH!!!! And he was intelligent enough to know better.

    People coming in to the Church from right outside are different - they have no choice but to find whichever denomination seems to them to the least bad in the bollocks-doctrine respect.  And, preferably, one that doesn’t expect them to assent to too much as a condition of membership.  In defence of my own denomination(s) I have to say that the C of E and the Methodists are excellent from that point of view - no belief in anything at all will ever be required of you!  They got Andrew in that way.  Lulled him into a false sense of security.  It’s dead cunning.  And because the C of E is the established church, Canon law can’t stop people coming to church, or using it to get baptised / married / buried etc - whatever they do or don’t believe.  A certain type of public-school vicar will refer to such people as the ‘non playing members of the Church’.  So....it’s not quite fair of you to say that the High Anglicans have officially been believing all the official Anglican bollocks for all these years. Although I suppose there’s no such get-out for the clergy.

    I know loads of these High Anglicans who are threatening to leave.  Basically, they are Catholics doctrinally and are happy to tell you so.  Fair enough.  For the reasons set out above, they don’t bother to move to Rome - no need - they have their own power base in the C of E (London, Chichester) - they get paid more in the C of E - they can be married or have a ‘Father’s Friend’ living in the vicarage. They also have a lot more freedom that they’d have under Rome.  BUT they are jolly pissed off about women priests and bishops and reckon that they can bully Rowan by threatening further schism (the fundies are already splitting off in the other direction - can the centre hold? - etc).  In fairness to them, this is a REALLY crucial thing for them (whilst worse than bollocks for me) and they are extremely sincere and mean well by the C of E (but then my mother always said that the worst thing you could say of anyone was that they ‘meant well’).  The thought process is ‘So far I’ve been able to be a Catholic within the Church of England, but now I won’t be able to’.  Many don’t want to go to Rome but feel they really may end up doing so as the lesser of two evils.  Be fun to watch them raising three kids on £8,000 per year.

    Or.... are they really just social conservatives with a ‘deep rooted commitment against women’s equality’? Well, it’s very tempting for someone like me - who longs to kick them up the bum on every possible occasion - to say so.  But in all honesty I don’t think it’s that simple.  Yes certainly, in some cases.  But, to be fair, not in all.  Just to take the women who oppose women’s ordination or bishopping - I’ve known very dynamic and feminist deaconesses who are against women’s ordination for various reasons - eg not biblical, shouldn’t do it till the whole of Christendom agrees, must avoid further schism at all costs. Same re women bishops.  You could indeed argue that they are being extra-Christan and forgiving in their approach (or, of course, that they are showing self-loathing remarkable even by Christian standards).  But the point is, they are a very mixed bag - and in many cases, very uneasy bedfellows.  Same with the male priests - some loathsome bigots (even by Christian standards), some very genuine, thoughtful, otherwise-feminist men.  I won’t bore you with their arguements, but in some cases they really are genuine and have caused them huge problems in their families and marriages (Serve them right I hear you say). 

    ANYWAY - With any luck if they do go (and I don’t mind much either way, personally) at least it will provoke a change in the Catholic priesthood - surely they won’t be able to sustain the celibacy requirement for much longer. So that might mean a better calibre of Catholic priest (I sound like my Dad now - Top Chaps needed!) with a more balanced world view.  WE can only hope.

    Let me know when you feel the twitch upon the thread!

    R x

  2. Labi Siffre
    Sat Nov 7, 2009 at 02.00 am

    Your admirable generosity of spirit allows you to be kindly to and gentle with, the Pope and those considering accepting his stealth take-over offer of refuge for yet another gaggle of bigots (male Church of England priests) outraged at having to share their dishonestly acquired authority with another group (female Church of England priests) seeking their share of the same dishonestly acquired authority.

    The philosophy of all these players is based on absurdity; and in an effort to appear rational, absurdity is piled upon absurdity in order to build a structure of vacuity on a foundation of the same politically sturdy material.

    Trying to find anything other than absurdity in their position is a futile task in the way that debating with them is, to echo Democrat Congressman Barney Frank, like debating “with a dining room table” - there is no point in doing it.

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    Fri Nov 20, 2009 at 09.13 am

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  4. Trooper Thompson
    Sun Nov 22, 2009 at 01.15 am

    There’s no reason for someone of your beliefs to give a damn about the goings-on in churches, but I think you wear your ignorance as a badge. You talk about the gulf between Rome and Canterbury, but you should remember the cathedral in the latter was built by English catholics and is where a catholic saint was martyred. I mention this to remind you that the differences between the C of E and Rome should not obscure the shared history and common interests of today.

    Lots of Anglicans are closer to what the Pope says than what the liberal fringe espouses, and bowing the knee to Rome is not that arduous these days - there’s no Inquisition anymore.